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  1. LeoSteel
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    So instead of suggesting a ban on gift card sales, perhaps suggest better ruling around it. Gift card sales bring a lot of money to the server, do you think your suggestion will go down well when you could simply rule it out in Code of conduct and rules?
     
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    Assuming I’m correct, which I am, selling skyblock gift cards for IRL money isn’t allowed because skyblock gift cards are Minecraft items.
     
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    Do you not think the entire process of writing rules is a game of premonition?
    Selling of gift cards isn’t restricted by Minecraft’s EULA or the server rules. There are quite a number of websites that facilitate the process of re-selling gift cards because it’s legal to do so. So common sense would suggest it’s fine.
    Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t. There is nothing at all to stop top voters selling their $25 gift cards for $20 cash.
     
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    Lol. No they are not. Clearly.
     
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    Perhaps staff can be the voice of reason here because you making up a problem then denying it’s solutions is going to continue forever.
     
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    If you’d like a rule update all you need is another statement in the rules saying

    “All trading of any item or gift card for ANYTHING other than in game items (Whether it be Money or IRL Items), is against server policy regardless of how many steps removed it took to receive said items or money.”

    Regardless of whether it’s against the rules, allowed, legal or illegal, IRL trading is by far the easiest rule to bypass and do no matter what. The amount of people who do it regularly is quite a lot, and they will continue to do it no matter what rule is put in place. There’s zero way to provide evidence on it unless the person you trade with decides they changed their mind (which would in turn get themselves banned as well). So really, regardless of the rule change or any sort of adjustment it ends up not really being any use because of how easily undetected these transactions are.
     
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    Leo, this is not a suggestion, this is the discussion forum you’re on.
    As Drogo stated earlier. The laws about gift cards and the manner in which they can be transferred is not governed by the server. No change to the rules or code of conduct can prevent players from selling them.

    Drogo isn’t saying people can’t trade grass for upgrades. That trade just has to be done directly without the use of gift cards so the server can still make money from this process.
     
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    This problem isn’t made up. You tell me. What’s to stop me selling gift cards for cash?
    And twice already I’ve provided a solution.
     
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    As I said before let’s just let staff deal with this. So far you have failed to provide evidence that this is a problem. How about you go ahead and advertise selling a gift card for IRL cash, see what happens.
     
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    Actually, he can do that. I’ve reported someone doing that exact message in chat, even with proof of a discord dm offering PayPal for items, not punished whatsoever. Since no transaction has occurred there’s nothing to be punished for, again contributing to the fact that it is easily one of the most broken rules
     
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    Drogo doesn’t think the server can impose restrictions on the sale of gift cards. They are by definition “transferable” and not minecraft items and all gift cards have laws governing their use that can’t be overridden by any vendor.
     
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    The difference is once that transaction is done a rule is broken. Drogo believes once this transaction is done nothing happens. Let’s not mix the two as the same lol
     
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    I’d be tempted to say you’re allowed as a server to impose your own server policy, but I’m not the legal expert


    Indeed, but same thing applies regardless. If I end up doing that trade with said individual, I’m not going to be the one reporting them since I’m doing the trade, and the only evidence anyone else has is the message in chat where they advertised again allowing them to advertise it on a technicality
     
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    The gift card itself is an IRL item. Selling it for IRL cash is fine.
    I’m highlighting the potential for a problem that the server might want to get ahead of. You come and antagonise without fully understanding the concerns.
    There’s no reason yo be like that.
     
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    I agree with you Cal, but that discusses two different issues. Drogo wants to ban the sale of gift cards because of a problem that hasn’t existed yet.
     
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    Where on earth did Drogo suggest banning the sale of gift cards??? You’re just making stuff up now Leo.
     
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    He did actually say he doesn’t want to ban gift card sales, I believe he’s not even trying to suggest anything specific he’s just having a discussion about why this may be an issue, what does everyone else think it means and is there anything we can do
     
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    Forgive that of me, I read a section of it wrong. My other points still stand that this isn’t a problem that exists and I believe the trade of a skyblock gift card for IRL cash is against the rules.
     
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    It may be technically against server rules, I think Drogo is just saying that the server can’t legally say that it’s against the rules and people could do it anyways since it’s a legal sale of items

    Which in the end really means nothing because it’s still going to be done no matter what the rule is
     
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    I disagree with this, and even if it’s legal, what does it matter anyway? If you play on the server you agree to its rules no matter if those rules are not followed outside of it.
     
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