Skyblock Drogo's Casino Suggestion.......

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  1. KhalDrogo
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    It is well known that Drogo dislikes casinos and he can sense the anticipation and dread that staff feel as they open this thread!!

    However, seeing as casinos are staying, Drogo will make a suggestion to help make scam casinos less likely and easier for moderators to check on.

    There are a few ways that players can run scam casinos that Drogo can see after briefly looking into them.

    They can change the odds. They can remove redstone linking the top tier droppers or they can simply have no prizes to dispense.

    Ensuring the odds can't be changed can be achieved by having moderators/helpers inspect the dropper systems controlling the odds and then private those droppers. The odds are then fixed and can only be changed by the locking moderator at the request of the owner.

    Comparitors and lights can be in place for all prize dispensers to show that they do indeed have items in them. At least the top tier dispensers as most will have space constraints.
    Alternatively, a dispenser containing no prize could be used to deactivate the casino.
    Moderators then only need to do random checks on the contents of the final dispensers and check logs to ensure that no redstone had been removed at any stage.

    "DROGO doesn't condone gambling" :t
     
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    Bearshop has a set up that if his casino is running low on prizes, the doors shut down and there is no access to the player. This should ideally be a standard feature on all casinos. Perhaps it could be added at the warp.
    Mods also should randomly check that what a casino is advertising as a prize, is actually stocked. If not, shut them down.
    Every player needs to be made aware to check when a casino owner was last on, OR make every casino owner post a sign at a visible spot by where a player buys a spin, of the date the last time the casino was filled/checked.

    I see it all the time on eco...occasional players going to use empty casinos of players who have not been on in ages, then log off in frustration. I can only imagine how much that happens on survival.
     
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    Drogo is sure that many casinos have very limited stock in the top tier prize dispensers and it's quite possible that they could all be won in half a day. Casinos need to be monitored very regularly if there is no safety mechanism in place to shut them down.
    Being able to have a casino ad running for 3 days in /ads could also lead to issues. If the owner is away for a few days, his ad is still there drawing customers, but there is no one monitoring the casino.

    Perhaps a safety mechanism to ensure empty casinos don't operate should become mandatory.

    "DROGO doesn't condone gambling"
     
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    I do not know how the actual casino system could be improved or even if the staff in place would be willing to do this kind of tasks. If that's something that the community decides to go with, I believe more staff members would be needed for the implementation of this system and to support it on the long run. That said, an easy improvement that seems obvious to me but that a lot of casino owners don't do is to write explicitly what the actual odds of their casino are. Once that is done, we could talk about inforcing them in some way to protect the players. I feel that this would definitely be step in the right direction.
     
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    If exisiting casinos shut down automatically when empty, this would result in less work for the moderators.
    The odds should definitely be displayed. Most of them are just multiples of 1/9th, but anyone offering "Best odds" must be something different.
     
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    I agree that odds should be shown, feel like this would help with people who scam by changing odds, if there's a sign that displays them then the droppers should line up with those.
     
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    The mechanisms that controls the odds are usually chained, so if you change the odds of one mechanism, you change the odds of all that are chained after it.
    Not displaying the odds is like not displaying a price on sell chests.
     
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    mijiperki , which of those facts do you disagree with.
     
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    The non factual statement "Not displaying the odds is like not displaying a price on sell chests."
     
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    Drogo’s use of the term ‘Like’ allows a broad scope for comparison.

    In both cases, you have no way to gauge whether you’re getting value for your money so in that sense they are alike.
     
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    Reasoning for Neutral; I run a successful, non scam casino. I feel like I do it well, with a policy of honesty, I show odds, I always overstock my casino before opening it (The last time of which I spent out over 5 dcs buying stock before opening the doors) and there are enough Top tier prizes in it to last for years.

    I agree with some of your points, although we differ on your overall opinions on casinos. I think that ALL casinos should show real attainable odds. (Not stupid 5 million to 1 nonsense), I think that all casinos should be stocked with multiple prizes, I think that all casinos should have warnings on them.

    The difficulty here is we have a staff team that may be limited on redstone knowledge and on already stretched schedules dealing with other problems. (Thats not a dig at anyone, its a reality of life that not everyone knows everything and can do everything) So policing your requests is where it falls to neutral, its just not a obtainable goal that random casinos are checked in and out for odds, prizes, redstone... with enough checks to find and weed out the scam casinos.

    The issue with adding a backup system that shuts down the casino if its empty, actually means nothing, if they are scamming you, they are going to scam you anyway regardless of making every casino have this failsafe redstone. and again, its not a reliable system if we don't have multiple redstone specialist mods combing every island for dodgy casinos, which is just not feasible.

    In summary all of your suggestion rides on moderators time and knowledge of redstone. When some of them might not have either. So I see the intent, and agree with the need to crack down on scam casinos, because as a decent casino owner, it makes the rest of us look bad. But I don't feel your current suggestion could do it, and I honestly dont know what will yet.
     
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    There are certainly many well run casinos like yours but I know of casinos that stock very few top tier prizes.

    The intent of the suggestion is not to make more work for moderators, but less. By putting assurances in place such as locking the odds and autoshutdown on empty there will be fewer scams that moderators will have to deal with.
    What I've suggested requires very little redstone knowledge, only a basic knowledge of how the odds system works which is not difficult. That and checking logs for any suspect changes.

    You say the autoshutdown mean nothing if they are scamming you but these measures, if put in place, makes it harder for players to scam you and ensures that honest run casinos like yourself, don't risk being unfair, should your prize dispensers empty.

    I understand the staff team are limited....very limited, but to promote casinos as they do and not provide any regulation or checks is a bit irresponsible.
     
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    I respect your point of view on this, but I personally disagree, its fine to view this on different levels. I will step aside for others to make their cases, instead of have a disagreeing match like many other threads spiral into xD
     
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    good luck getting mods to check every single player with a casino
     
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    I agree that it’s not likely to happen but where does that leave the players who get scammed or blow their money on an inactive casino?
    Who takes responsibility for that? No one it seems.
     
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    Drogo couldn’t agree more.
    They only spiral when people add nonsensical arguments and dictate how we should format our responses.
     
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    Wouldn't it already fall under the no scamming rule?
     
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    Inactive casinos wouldn’t be a scam but players can still lose out. With casinos, there are ways to scam players without them ever knowing. Drogo doesn’t think that has ever been the case before.
     
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    Yea this is a valid point. But also I think LeoSteel's point about how mods would basically need to learn how casinos work in order to actually enforce the rule is valid too so IDK what the answer is. It's definitely a good discussion topic for sure.
     
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    They literally already do, it’s basically their job since so many casinos are open. You continue to make meaningless, unconstructive comments.
     
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