Depending on a certain situation they are appealable. If you are the one that broke the rules, it is most likely not ever appealable. In my appeal however, I was not the one that broke the rules as someone had full access of my account. There are certain situations were permanent bans have been appealable, such as chargebacking, and stuff such as that but paying it back, but you cannot appeal if you yourself are permanently banned for something you did if that makes sense
Donor400 was not an obtainable rank when I left, hence Monster_Sparkles being a donor400 would not be correct. If you do /ads it still shows up as Monster_Sparkles since that was the name and the owner of the account when he got it permanently banned. I could also pull up some old Discord messages if needed of me giving him my account. You can go back in archive and you can find many permanent ban appeals that are accepted, it has to be a certain situation though and come to terms with the staff team. To add to this: If I was the one that broke whatever rules were broken, I would not have been able to appeal for the permanent ban. However due to circumstances, I was able to appeal.
I guess the wording is not as accurate as we would like but permbans can be appealed however they will 99% of the time not be accepted.
There are a couple instances of perm bans being appealed and accepted, IMO the rule or standard should be clarified further. Either so that it says firmly that perm bans from this point on will not be appealable, OR make it clear that it is a case by case thing.(And provide reasoning)
Not quite. In order to say that permbans don't get accepted we have been used to saying they are "not appealable". But people are able to open an appeal if they wish. This came from the past where we had permban messages from admins that state "do not appeal". Before this permbans were given out over every bannable offence however when we lost the ability to give them out they became manager level discretion and thus given out for very serious offences. People who were not welcome back in the community or a specific server got this punishment. Hence, not appealable, which is what was said in that appeal in that particular context. Generally there was no issue with the way we phrased this so that is why it was said; not just because we were trying to discriminate in any way. I believe this topic was discussed by Agent but we do understand the confusion because of the varying results of permban appeals. Bans such as chargebacks are appealable and in the case above also is a time we would seriously consider the appeal. However in the case of the "ban apple" appeal it was not a serious appeal and the person's offence is considered not appealable. So to make it more clear, every user can make an appeal regardless if it is permanent or not. However if your offence is considered severe or you are a repeat offender it is going to be very difficult to have a successful appeal. The solution to stop yourself being in this predicament is to use the server as intended by our code of conduct and rules and be a good person like you would be irl.
I feel like it's worth noting that people aren't going to get a permaban without being involved in some extreme circumstances and repeatedly showing a lack of desire to respect the rules and other players. So you'd likely need an equally extreme reason to appeal a ban like this.
I completely agree. Thanks for letting us know. Getting differing answers from different moderators always creates confusion. By saying “perm bans are not appealable” anyone would be left to believe that they are not appealable.
In recent years, permanent bans issued for bad behaviours are only given after many many reoffenses, or if the offense is especially serious (e.g. predatory behavior). Appeals for these will alway be denied as we do not issue them without serious consideration, discussion with the entire staff team and are 100% sure the player is no longer welcome on the server. There are some very old permanent bans that were issued back when they were given out for lesser offenses, and those are sometimes accepted. Also permanent bans for non-behavior issues (e.g. if someone requests their account banned due to being hacked so the hacker can’t steal their stuff) can be removed when the issue is resolved.
Honestly, I’m kind of mixed 50/50 between Perm Bans being appealable and not being appealable. Here is my reasoning… 1) As Ca1 said, if you were banned all the way to the severity of a Permanent Ban on the Skyblock server, it means that you did something seriously, seriously wrong. As a Temp Ban is less likely to have been for a minor reason, Perm Bans are for very serious cases. 2) The other side of me can understand why people with that punishment would want to make an appeal to get back on the server, if you “better/grow as a person” and learn from the lesson, then yes. But, I feel that most people would naturally abuse the privilege of perm ban appeals. The small 10/20% of those who wouldn’t abuse it can feel free to make one. (Which I saw in the thread that you actually can do in some cases, so that’s pretty cool!) Those are just my opinions, I hope I didn’t get too off topic on this.
Great clarification, which I think aligns with what most players believed. Would this sort of clarification in the rules be beneficial?
For the record, another Perm Ban (this one being for the Discord Server) has been successfully appealed: Skyblock Official Site | Skyblock
I mean they are obviously appealable, people appeal them often it seems, the fact it is stated they aren't appealable is false, the chances maybe and should be low. But I think this thread is a dig at the fact that they are infact not appealable, yet you allow appeals? Where some players may not be aware and not bother appealing, when in fact their case may be better than some of those who have actually appealed and been accepted... I believe if you have a rule stick to it, otherwise change the rule...
Yeah this statement is correct. Discord bans are all permanent because we can't tempban on the discord. So we don't count them as real permanent bans so they are typically easier to appeal with more success
