Declined /guest ban to ban all alts.

Simply suggesting that /guest ban, ban all alts of the banned players.
Without this is is pretty useless.

 

Support if it can be done correctly, but where would the line be drawn on "ALT"?

If it is designed so that all accounts with previous matching IP addresses are banned when the command is run then there could be a few issues:

• This could accidently island ban siblings/friends that are in the same household as the desired ban user.
• Using a VPN does not breach the servers rules (as far as I am aware, unless avoiding full server bans) and these could easily be used to bypass this new system if it just running a simple IP check. Would this require a rule to make it illegal to use a VPN to bypass island bans? Wouldn't this be REALLY hard to enforce/detect but also REALLY commonly abused.
• In the past players have reported being banned by using common free proxies as someone that previously used it was IP banned. If a player had used one of these in the past then would all players that had also previously used this proxy be island banned?
• Some players have logged into the server with hundreds and potentially, in a few cases, thousands of accounts from 1 IP address (spam bot attacks etc) and island banning one of these accounts would cause for island ban lists to become stupidly long and hard to undo whilst also causing high workload on the server for a few seconds whilst this is processing/updating new island ban lists which could be abused to cause hard to detect TPS attacks by spam island banning/unbanning large groups in quick succession.

 

Drogo agrees, not an easy one to manage but required if /guestban is to function as expected.

 

I quess its a good idea. but the problem is that its to easy to get a vpn :-?

 

Miji pointed out some of the main issues with adding something like this, but I still definitely support.

Although some of the issues could be a problem, 95% of the time or more it won't be the case. For siblings and other residents in the same household, this will rarely be the case and as Krissy said it can be easily talked out. If it's done on a per IP basis, then VPNs may be an issue but if someone is that desperate to get onto your island then you could easily take it to staff at that point for further punishment. For the issue of potentially having thousands of players on the ban list, I'm not a developer I don't know if this is feasible, but maybe something like when you ban an account, it connects the IP address to the ban list, not visible to the player of course, and if a player containing the same IP address tries to visit the island, the ban list will recognize the same IP and block that account from visiting the island.

Just my thoughts

 

Drogo has requested this as there are undesirables with no respect for anyone or the rules that he doesn’t want on his skyblock but needs to keep it unlocked for his profit shop.
If this is too difficult to implement, Drogo will lock the island and guest add the players that most use his profit shop. A check of his logs will show who these are. Not ideal as it won’t allow newbies in but will solve Drogo’s problem in the mean time.

 

it would be interesting to have it maybe just tell you possible accounts that might be linked to that player like say you ban someone and it suggests x y and z accounts that might be alts or in the ip of that person so you could decide if you want to guest ban them too or not.

not sure if this is even feasible but would be interesting to hear people’s thoughts

 

There is a limit to the number of people that can be banned so the idea is we don’t ban the individual accounts, just one and all alts are banned as well. One particular painful individual has at least 13 accounts.

 

support u should not be able to see there altenative accounts thogh exercise the 4th amendment dont fold or give in!!!!

 

^^

bump support

 

I don't necessarily agree with this because sometimes players ban others from their island for no apparent reason. It had happened to me and the co-op member had to tell the owner to unban me and the owner agreed there was no good reason for me being banned. And if you want all alt's of said player banned, how are you going to know who is an alt and who isn't? Not everyone is like me and their main is evelyntho and alt is evelyntho69 making it very easy to decipher who is my alt. It would be too much of a workload for the server to handle to run the IP address of the main account once it's been banned and check to see if it has to automatically ban any other account at the same time.

 

They already run some checks on players IP’s in order to ensure players don’t exceed the alt limit. /guest ban just needs to ban the player name and their IP.
Additionally, Drogo doesn’t think people go to the effort of typing /guest ban player name for no reason.

 

Bumping.

 

Even if we'd add this it'd still add every account individually to the blacklist. I think suggesting a higher blacklist limit would be better, feel free to open a thread for that. It would also allow players to figure out what alts belong to who which they don't necessarily need to know.