Implemented Level 3 croppers working as intended.

Drogo has conducted tests that show that a cropper in a 13 level pumpkin farm will collect pretty much the same amount as a 17 level pumpkin farm across a 5 minute period. All in the same chunk of course.
Now 17 levels definitely produces more than 13 levels so it would seem the limiting factor is the cropper.
Drogo's level 3 croppers are not even managing 2 per second on average over this period.

Now obviously there is randomness in the growth of pumpkins and there may be times where 5 grow in one second (2 lost) and then 1 in the next second so even though 6 grew in 2 seconds (3 per second) the cropper only take in 4 (2 per second)

Drogo proposes that rather than the croppers collect 3 items every second, they collect 12 every 4 seconds. This doesn't change the collection rate of the croppers at all but removes the losses due to randomness so that the croppers can actually achieve the expected collection rate.

In other words, Drogo is not asking for anything that isn't already offered by the $50,000 cropper. Just a change that will ensure it does what is offered.

EDIT: Further testing shows that lvl 3 Croppers are not limited by the random growth of crops alone but they actually have a hard limit of 2 per second.

Note: This same idea could be applied to the redstone limiter. No increase in the permitted rate, but have it measured over a longer period so that it can deal with fluctuations caused by lag. Any redstone device going over the limit will still stop, it just might take 5 seconds rather than 1 second.
If the coming upgrade of the server is expected to increase lag, this might be worth considering before the upgrade?

 

Makes it work better, a s seems like it would reduce lag due to it checking less? Sounds like a deal!

 

I highly suggest this idea. I think Drogo has a good point as crop hoppers are quite hard to manage sometimes.
Think about it, you stop seeing a difference when you reach 15 layers per chunk. Once you pass from 14 to 15 layers, you don't notice that much of a difference. I would find it better as for what Drogo said, to have a level 3 Crop Hopper collect 12 items every 4 seconds. Hopefully that could be implemented as it would change up a few things and give crop hoppers an accurate representation.

But hey, at least I'd give this idea a try with Drogo. There is always that one chance to make things happen. So hopefully that summed up on what I had to say

 

Support.

Since something like growing crops is based on random tick timing in minecraft, it's a lot harder to control the timing to a very small time period like 1 second. I'd imagine something like 12 every 4s or even 30 every 10s would be a much more reliable gathering process. Growing crops overall does have an average time frame for which they get harvested over time, but having it check every individual second means it is less likely to accurately and consistently hit that average. Having the extra time frame to collect the crops will even out the cropper's collection system closer to an accurate collection time.

 

While normally replying "Support" is considered post farming, I'm not. In addition to saying "Support" I would also like to comment on how much I love that Drogo always remains in 3rd person despite well thought out and well articulated posts without making it sound fake at all. Hats off to you my friend. Also, support.

 

Much appreciated my friend.

 

Bumping this while wondering if it should actually be in the bug section.

 

Still needs addressing.

 

Bumping this and now asking staff / developers if croppers have quietly been nerfed or if they ever worked properly in the first place?

Drogo has run a bit of a test and in one chunk has built up to 25 levels of pumpkin farm.
For each level added, Drogo recorded the lvl 3 cropper collection rate over several minutes and plotted this in orange below. This can clearly be seen to max out at 2 per second rather than 3 per second as it should be.

Once all 25 levels were complete, Drogo ran a quick test to confirm how much the farm was actually generating.
This was done by removing the Cropper for 10 seconds, replacing it and then counting how many pumpkins grew in that time. It turned out to be 70. So a 25 level farm was generating 7 pumpkins per second but only collecting 2 per second.

Drogo built 25 levels so that he could reduce the losses due to the randomness of the growth (explained in the original post).
If the lvl 3 cropper is working properly then this means that, on average, in any 2 second period, 1 pumpkin is generated in one second and then 13 in the next second. This is NOT happening so the level 3 croppers are clearly not working as intended.




This video shows the Pumpkin generation in a 25 level farm over 10 seconds.



Allowing for 20% losses due to the randomness of growth, we should be collecting 3 per seconds from a 14 or 15 level farm.



Noobcrew, In your 'Economy Update' post announcing the new croppers, you asked for us to report any bugs with the croppers. This, Drogo would say, is a bug.......unless, it is by design?

 

This has now also been added to the bug report section as the original suggestion is useless if the hard limit of 2 per second on lvl 3 croppers is not resolved first.

 

Bumping this.

 

Drogo heard a theory today that active redstone or flowing water in the same chunk would slow the collection rate of croppers.
Drogo removed all flowing water and redstone from the same chunk that was shown to be producing 7 pumpkins per second and testing over 5 minutes, the collection rate was still only 2 per second.

The bug report on this has been up almost a week now, has had 19 views but no comment from staff yet.

 

support maybe the solution is to raise the limit to 4-5 per second so thge actual limti is 3

 

It hits 2 quite exactly. Drogo believes the limit just needs to be raised from 2 to 3.
Drogo doesn’t think it’s a bug to be honest.

 

Still waiting on staff or dev to comment on this.

Players need to know if they need to strip out millions of dollars worth of dirt purchased needlessly due to the faulty croppers.

 

I’m glad .org has you to look out for all of our interests. X

 

Still waiting on staff to reply though. Drogo can find the bugs, but Drogo can't fix them.

 

Apparently this has been fixed so Drogo thinks it will be in the next update.

 

I'm sure we'll hear back from you if it isn't

 

So you need your thread locked and archived or just waiting until the updates roll around then you get your suggestion locked and archived?