We Need More Helpers.

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  1. Jerrry
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    Recently, as bdark and fran have been promoted iballisticbunny and wilbos_world (who isn't really a helper but don't quote me on that, a helper is a helper) are the only helpers, while there are so many moderators. I feel we should be giving more people a chance at the helper rank, and recently not many people have been accepted into the helper category. If you have any thoughts on this, please use the poll below to show support. You will be allowed to always see the votes, and change your vote later. Please leave a comment on this thread if you vote, it always helps to have everyone's exact opinion!

    I will be voting.

    I feel this belongs in discussion as it isn't fit for a "suggestion". I'm sure you understand.
     
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    Promotions will happen when the staff team feel an applicant is ready. There are no set dates and there will not be any set dates. Promotions from helper to moderator also occur when the higher ups feel it is necessary.
     
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    People will be promoted when staff feels it’s right. I don’t think we should have an overload of helpers anyways, and instead just a few at a time.
     
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    My point is that the higher-ups should be lowering their expectations for an applicant. There have been plenty of applicants that in my opinion are very fit for the role of helper, even if they get demoted quickly. What I am saying is that if they select more applicants for helper, they can see which ones are fit for the job and which ones they should demote.
     
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    This sounds like the type of thing that would get a bunch of people on the team who just wants to cause chaos. No. Just keep them as applicants and deem them worthy from there.
     
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    What would be the point of promoting someone for them to be demoted a couple of days later? That just confuses people and increases the chances of someone new coming on the team to leak things or abuse their permissions. Applicants are carefully chosen to try to prevent these things from happening and will only be promoted once deemed fit for the role.
     
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    The only way to truly know if they are fit for the role is by letting them try. I'm not saying that every applicant should get a chance, but applicants that have a detailed application, have been playing for a long time, and meet the requirements in my opinion should get a chance at the role. Perhaps it would help for there to be a new trial helper rank that shares the exact same permissions as a helper, but would be a symbol that they may or may not be keeping the role as helper of skyblock for long. Your points are informative, but I still believe that the staff team should be letting members demonstrate why they deserve to be on the staff team.
     
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    The staff have high expectations for a reason. They want to avoid helpers being demoted quickly. As Boss said, there is no point of accepting applicants and then demoting them a few days later. The staff will accept applications once they think they're ready.
     
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    I don't think you understand. I am saying that they would be hired with the knowledge that they might be demoted if they don't prove that they are fit for the staff team.
     
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    Promoting applicants is more than the content of their application. You have to take in the player’s history, their behavior, their character, and how they present themselves outside of their application. Being mature in an application does not mean you are mature on the server. Applicants have to show that they are fit for the position apart from simplying stating it.

    We don’t want to promote a large number of people just to end up demoting them due to them not being prepared for the position. Their demotion will affect how people view them if they ever choose to reapply.
    All Staff Members are aware that if they do something terribly wrong, they may be demoted. People should not be promoted if they believe they will be demoted within the next week. We hope that applicants can be promoted with prior knowledge of how to moderate rather than us having to teach them the bulk of their job and be worried about them not fulfilling it. A lot more goes into promoting players than you may think.

    Rushing promotions will rarely work out, and the Staff Team is not currently in desperate need of Hepers. We just promoted two Helpers and we will of course be looking for more in the future. Our lack of Helpers does not mean we need to rush to promote new Helpers. It only means that we have spots open for applicants to strive to obtain in the future. Promotions will occur when we feel the applicants are ready, not when we feel the players are ready. We do our best to please players, but we will not rush promotions that may end in demotions to do so.
     
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    i dont think we need more helpers desperately but going off this thread I had an idea like this. Maybe a role with no perms like staff applicant rank that if you are a qualified app you get after a time. This would allow new player to understand that these people know the rules. I think this would be helpful becuase then new players would not attempt to tell me that bucket and dirt trading was legal and help the applicants help more people.
     
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    Whats the point of a staff applicant role if it does nothing? It's an unnecessary amount of time staff have to spend giving out a role that does nothing, other than the appearance. People might make applications just for this role aswell.
     
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    good point I see it as like if you apply for 3 months and are precieved as good you get this rank. This allows new players to accept the rules when told by applicants. Helper has alot of power and must be much more protected from people who would try to trool the server
     
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    There is no need to make a completely new staff rank just to have them inform players about the rules. We have many informative players that can tell them that. Even helpers and higher staff can do that. Regarding the original topic about this thread, Agent's response says it all. Thank you.
     
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    Why did you rate this post:
    disagree when you replied to it agreeing with me?
     
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    I don't understand this. Why can't they just keep doing it the same way they have been doing it? It does what is needed.

    Here is a real world situation.

    Say there are a few openings for a job. What buisinesses do is they let people apply, and have interviews, and then pick the ones they want for the job.
    They don't just hire everyone (or most of them) and give them a free trial of the job. That just wouldn't make sense.

    When people are hired, it takes a while for them to learn and fully understand their new job. They have much paperwork to do, a groove to get into, and much training before they are able to contribute. Hiring people for just a week wouldn't really do anything, as they wouldn't actually be able to demonstrate their abilities to perform that job for a while.

    So in essence, I don't feel that giving "free trial promotions" are really going to be an effective way to really showcase peoples abilities, and is going to hurt more than it helps.

    I hope you understand what I mean.
     
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    some jobs would hire them all as unpaid interns. I am sorta piggy backing off this thread and suggesting an intership of sorts of applicants. just sorta as food for thought
     
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    Yet still, interns need training, and having them for a temporary amount of time wouldn't be efficient
     
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