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  1. Jess
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    The "dislike" rating was once considered a negative rating, but then it was changed to neutral, due to various reasons stated by mods. You can find several of these reasons in Pogger's thread on changing "dislike" back to a negative rating. However, that is not my point.

    Many of the staff's opinions came to this: negative ratings and its relationship to reputation, negative rate abuse, and the effect on opinions and ratings. The irony however, is that these issues exist, and are an even more prevalent issue when it comes to positive ratings.

    Regarding positive ratings and members' reputations, there was at one point in the forums history (before several notable people were banned) many people on the most "positive" ratings leaderboard, actually had relatively negative reputations. These figures, such as myself and Queen, (who are still on said leaderboard), as well as many banned/deleted players were notorious troublemakers and disliked by a majority of the server. Yet according to this "reputation system" we had an overwhelming amount of positives.

    Why is this the case, you may ask? Because of rate abuse. Do you know why a New Member must now make a certain number of messages before being able to give out ratings? It is solely due to a certain group of people, of which I will regretfully admit I was a part of. Despite the unfair positive ratings I received (and then some) being removed. There is still a culture of giving positive ratings to posts that are not necessarily positive. Moreover, "like" ratings are often given to show acknowledgement of a thread post, status, or wall post. Positive rate-abuse is, and has been a much larger issue than negative-abuse, and as such these so-called "positive" ratings should be given the same treatment as negative ratings.

    The main point that is often brought up however, is that the like/dislike ratings are entirely opinion-based. Just as there is no reason for the "dislike" rating to be considered negative, as it is just the result of a person's opinion, there is similarly no reason for the "like" rating to be considered positive, as it is also just one person's opinion, and opinions should not be given the power of dictating whether something is a positive/negative.

    (My point on the "agree" rating also being made neutral is the fact that "disagree" is neutral, and as these two ratings serve the same purpose it makes little sense for one of them to increase a positive rating ratio while the other is considered neutral.)

    To conclude, the rating system on this server is biased toward giving players disproportionately more positives than negatives/neutrals, despite many of the ratings considered "positive" have no business being labeled as such. This does not mean I support the removal of positive ratings altogether, I suppose that certain ratings such as "funny" and "winner" should remain positive as they are more objective than subjective.
     
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    support jessica i agree

    ALSO MAKE AGREE A NEUTRAL
     
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    i agree because agreeing with something doesn't necessarily make things positive, i.e. i can agree with a negative sentiment, therefore there's no reason for "agree" to be a positive if "disagree" is neutral.
     
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    Uh, no support? Is this a joke?
     
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    not sure could be but if it's not i'm pretty sure they are a bit salty because they want dislike to be negative and almost no one is supporting it so now they want everything neutral
     
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    I actually have nothing against "dislike" being labelled a neutral rating anymore. I vote in favor of a full revamp of the current ratings system. I edited the original point to detail my reasoning, but the short answer is that the server is much more biased toward giving people positive ratings than negative/neutral ones. Certain ratings that are labeled as neutral have direct opposites, however those are unfairly labeled as positive, solely for the purpose of amping up the number of positive ratings a person can receive. This results in a culture on the sever that places too much consideration on these ratings because people are so accustomed to receiving a disproportionate number of positives.
     
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    Why do you care so much about ratings? They mean absolutely nothing. The only reason you would care about them is because there are leaderboards that no one cares about for them.
     
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    No support, possibly agree but NOT like.
     
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    I’m clearly not the only one who cares if people have such strong opinions about these suggestion threads. And yeah I’ve been on the leaderboard for a couple years now, and I couldn’t care less if I was or wasn’t on it, it was simply the result of being active for a little while.
     
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    This is perhaps the dumbest post I have seen in my skyblock history. For the dislike negative part I understand, but if somebody likes what you say, that is a POSITIVE THING
     
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    Oh see that’s what I thought, but I’m now convinced that it’s just based in opinion, so there’s no reason to make it positive.
     
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    To be honest, we should just stop making any changes to the ratings. There’s absolutely no point in changing them. I’m not saying your idea isn’t a good thing to discuss about but no need for any more rate changes. Simply, keep one negative rating, and a few positive ratings to make everyone happy that people like them. Like is one of the many reasons people have a lot of positive ratings so let’s keep it that way. Not giving a rating to this thread because I’m not against or for this idea. It’s a good thought though. I’d prefer leaving the rates alone.
     
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    That’s exactly the issue, in my opinion.
     
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    I think that’s true, that’s there is too many positive ratings with Like being a positive rating but, what’s the exact reason of changing it to neutral. What will it really do? The only thing that will change is a lot of people having lower positive rating count.
     
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    Same reasoning behind making “dislike” a neutral rating. As well as rate abuse, which I stated above.
     
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    Forums deserve a "Hype Train" rating with a "Fire Rating" and I think every rating should get a overhaul like the ratings's pixels changed.

    We don't need a salt rating or a toxic rating since It might not go well for forum users.
     
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    I agree that ratings need an overhaul, not necessarily just changing the icons, but how the system works in general. There are several issues with the current system, which I have outlined in the thread. I think some of the current ratings are redundant, and I also believe that it would be nice to add new ratings and possibly remove certain existing ones.
     
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    THE RATINGS DO NOT NEED AN OVERHAUL. They are fine the way they are, we have enough to express our short opinion most of the time, and when we can't we just reply with a short statement.

    We do not need a "Hype Train" rating or a fire rating. Just watch, if they do decide to add these in I bet only a few people will use the fire rating out of hype for the new ratings, and no one will ever use hype train.
     
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    You don’t get to decide if the ratings need an overhaul if you’ve only been here for two months, while I’ve been here for seven years. You haven’t even *received* half the existing ratings and that’s exactly the issue. The existing ratings are redundant, rarely used, and the commonly-used ones cause a large disparity between positive/negative ratios, which is undesirable as I’ve already stated.
     
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    Don't think you have more authority on these forums just because you've been on them longer. You are just as much of a member of the forums as I am. I am just expressing my opinion, I never said that I was making the 'final decision'.
    Also, can you even count? I've received way more than half of the existing ratings, I don't see why you think I didn't.
    And there is a reason only Rude is a negative rating. If dislike was a negative rating, then people would have an undeserving amount of negative ratings. I know that disliking something is a negative thing, and I see why you would want positive ratings like Agree and Like to have their opposites, Disagree and Dislike to be negative, just so it's equal, but a Negative Rating on this forum is not for just negative things, it's for when what you said is just horrible, and shouldn't have been posted. If you think positive/negative ratios should be similar, so be it, but as I said, it's not just for negative things, it's reserved for the excessively bad things.
     
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