Allow players to buy unlimited tickets for the lottery

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  1. DietPepsi22
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    Ya I think they could try a trial at 5. And even if there is a cap at 5, it doesn’t mean if you have to buy all 5.
     
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    Well it’s the normal lottery, the more tickets you buy, the better your chances. Br4ke mentioned having a cap but still raising it from 2 which is another idea.
     
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    i think it would be fun to pool like 1200 grass LOL... I'm 100% supportive of this idea.
     
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    First of all, people are saying that lifting the cap will make it easier for people who use alts. However, this is a misconception. The current system is actually skewed towards people with alts, because they are able to enter in more grass, and with enough alts, as much grass as they want. This encourages the illegal use of alt accounts. However, lifting the cap would allow everyone to put in the same amount of grass, infinite grass! This will stop people from using alt accounts for the lottery.

    Now, imagine playing the lottery with no cap:
    Some players would enter lots of grass. If someone put in 48 grass, while the rest of the people put in a total of 16 grass, then they would win 3/4 of the times, and lose 1/4 of the time. When they won, they would win 16 grass, and when they would lose, the would lose 48 grass. They would win 3 times as often as they would lose, resulting in winning 48 grass for every 48 grass lost. Overall, the chance of winning stays the same. Over time, your net profit/loss from the lottery will stay around 0. Because of this, I support no cap.

    However, if devs wanted to make this interesting, they could slightly skew probabilities towards people who put in less grass. Instead of using the amount of grass that a person put into the lottery to calculate probabilities, they could use the amount of grass, g, to the power of an exponent, n.

    So, if they did this, they would calculate the probabilities using g^n, where n is a set constant. If n is greater than 1, this skews probabilities towards people who put in more grass. If n is less than 1, it skews probabilities towards people who put in less grass. For example, here are graphs showing the amount of grass entered, and the number used to calculate the percentage chance of winning, if n=3/4, or if n=7/8.

    Graph for n=3/4:
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    Graph for n=7/8:
    desmos-graph (1).png

    As you can see, the proportion of the Number for Calculation to the Amount of Grass Entered decreases as more grass is added. This would skew slightly skew the lottery towards people who put in less grass.

    The following graph is your probability of winning the lottery with the n=3/4 system, which I support if there is 16 other grass in the pot:
    desmos-graph (2).png

    Now, contrast this with the probability of winning with the traditional n=1 system, also with 16 other grass in the pot:
    desmos-graph (3).png

    I hope that you can see how this system could help people with less grass. Sorry about the excessive math, I know that this is supposed to be fun. XD
     
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  5. DietPepsi22
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    Jeez you didn’t need to go try hard on this lol. But the statistics that you figured out is pretty cool.
     
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    The issue with unlimited entries is best shown by online gambling sites, especially lottery style CSGO skin gambling. Players will let the pot raise to a $100 or so, then enter $2000 worth of skins. They basically are garanteed to win, making a quick $100 profit.

    Same would apply to Skyblock lottery, where players would frequently snipe lotteries to make some quick profit. It is very fun in the situations where the player loses their insane amount of grass, but most of the time people will just leave feeling sad.

    Putting in a skew like gecko_leopard would help, but then players could complain about the system being unfair, favoring players placing lower bets over higher bets.
     
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  7. DietPepsi22
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    Ya so maybe we could try a 5 grass cap and see how it goes idk.
     
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    Although people might complain, it would solve the problem completely. If you wanted to go really far, you could make n=1/2, which would basically take the square of the amount of grass that was put in. If this system was implemented, then 8 people who only put in 4 grass each would have the same probability of one of them winning as 1 person who put in 4 stacks of grass.
     
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    Not every player will put the same amount of grass in the lottery.
     
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    I know, but it was just an example of how it would make the lottery slightly fairer for newer players, or at least avoid the CSGO-skin problem.
     
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    I can guarantee this will not be implemented because of one reason.

    Quite a lot of our players leave after a few hours. The lottery is an easier way to possibly gain some extra grass, but if there’s hundreds of tickets, they won’t win for hundreds of hours. While I’d love for it to happen, it probably won’t. The server hates making things in favour of the big players- which is absurd.
     
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    It would just make poor people furious and rich people abusing the lottery.

    No Support.
     
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    Whilst I agree with Redstone about the sniping I think the community would balance that, if as you say someone jumps in with 2000 that would incentivise me to bet more to try and win that from them, you will then say but what if they do it in the last second to which I will say, why not add time to the lottery every times someone places a bet to guarantee a fair chance to bet back. Doesn’t have to be long 15-20 seconds or so.

    I think the community will eventually balance the snipers, also they might lose. It looks improbable but you know damn well when they do it will keep them down for a while. No one wants to known as the person who lost 2k on the lotto. But again cap it at something lower like 50 or 100. 2 just seems pointless for the people using it.
     
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    Not really, it could actually be the opposite because a ‘poor person’ who buys 1 ticket could win when another ‘rich person’ bought 25.
     
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    A compromise to this matter would be to introduce a once daily super lotto which runs outside of current lotto, so people can still do there usual lotto and only bet 2 max every hour.

    But people can bet up to 50 (or whatever you deem fit) on the daily super lotto.
     
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    to speak on the part of it being "fair" THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT LOL. yall- people don't drop HUNDREDS of dollars on tickets for Powerball because the odds are even xD- it's so they have a better chance. I'm down with Leo- the "super lotto" idea.
    if someone drops 500 grass and loses it to someone who put 1 in- THEN THAT'S THE GAME- you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than winning the lottery.

    I rest my case. xD
     
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    A single daily super lotto would definitely be a possible compromise and also a decent way to test how the option is received by the community.
     
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    I am going to try to get struck by lightning so that I can win the lottery.

    The super-lottery is an interesting idea, but it would not be accessible to people in certain time zones. Could you do 2-4 super-lotteries every day so that everyone could participate?
     
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  19. DietPepsi22
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    Yea I think like 3 super lottery’s every day would be cool.
     
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    I think it would be best to suggest the super lottery as a seperate suggestion as while it does serve the same purpose, it doesnt affect the current lotto which is where the current no-support is coming from on this suggestion.
     
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