[thebeefboy] <major island farming> [cyk753]

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  1. thebeefboy
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    1. Your banned account name: thebeefboy
    2. Platform you were banned on: skyblock
    3. Ban message/reason: major island farming
    4. Have you read the rules? yes
    5. Do you think this ban was incorrect? yes
    6. Please list any other times you have been banned on any of our platforms: never, not that i can remember
    7. Why would you like to be unbanned? i do not understand my ban and was not given a valid reason for being banned. the mods are now refusing to talk to me. my friend was banned for island farming, and i got banned for being on the same island even though i did not know what he was doing as i told him to do otherwise. i also did not own this island, i am just a member on it.
    8. How will you prevent yourself from being banned again? i will follow the rules as i always have
    9. If you know, tag the member of staff that banned you: cyk753
    10. Do you understand and accept our rules? yes
     
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    Cyk753 this is your ban appeal. :)
     
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    thebeefboy,

    Please see attached logs.

    GeekSquad123 repeatedly issued the /newisland replace command, mined up all the dirt and sand, and took the lava buckets, and placed them in chests on NeverRegret's island, while you took the island farmed dirt and placed it on NeverRegret's island. Within the past 4 days, 2195 dirt blocks and 2 grass blocks were placed on NeverRegret's island, and 34 dirt blocks were destroyed. That is a net total of 2163 dirt/grass blocks placed on the island within the past four days. The island currently has 920 grass and 1243 dirt on it. 920 + 1243 = 2163, which exactly equals the net amount of dirt/grass blocks that has been placed on the island within the past 4 days. Nearly all of that came from the dirt that GeekSquad123 island farmed. Only a small portion of it came from skycenter.

    When cyk banned GeekSquad123 for island farming, you confronted Cyk and told her that GeekSquad123 didn't island farm and didn't even know how to create a new island. However, in the staff report you submitted against Cyk, you conceded that GeekSquad123 did island farm, but did so due to misunderstanding your instructions, which you state were to mine the dirt from skycenter. However, that island only has 147 dirt and 35 grass on it, and only 103 dirt have been mined from it within the past 4 days.

    I have removed the island farmed dirt by replacing all the placed dirt and grass on NeverRegret's island with cobblestone. I have placed 180 dirt (77 dirt blocks that come with a standard starter island, plus 103 blocks that were mined from skycenter) in the chest at 802, 203, 1201 on NeverRegret's island.

    I will permit Cyk753 to address this appeal, but I just wanted to provide supporting evidence to show that the dirt in question was in fact island farmed and that the two of you collaborated in the effort to terraform the island you're cooped on with NeverRegret using dirt farmed from GeekSquad123's island, since you accused Cyk of banning you for no reason at all.
     

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    How does telling someone to do something, then them breaking a rule get me banned?
     
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    By your own words, your friend was acting on your instructions. He island farmed to obtain thousands of blocks of dirt that you placed on your coop's island. We have only your word that you told your friend to get the dirt from skycenter, but skycenter only had 250 dirt on it to begin with, and as a new player, your friend would not be in a position to obtain thousands of blocks of dirt by legitimate means.

    Regardless, trading or giving dirt is against our rules. The only players who may share dirt with each other are members of a coop, and they may only do so with dirt obtained from their own island. So you should not have received any dirt obtained from outside your coop regardless of whether you knew it was island farmed or not.

    The only approved way of obtaining extra dirt on our server is to place grass blocks. Because grass blocks are also used as our main form of currency, this forces players to think carefully about whether to use the grass to trade for other items or to place it on their island. It is simply a rule of how the game is played on our server. Cheating by repeatedly resetting an island and stripping it of materials is not fair to other players who play by the rules.

    Please understand that we don't enjoy banning anyone, we simply want players to play nice and to play fair. We're more than happy to shorten your ban if you can demonstrate to us that you now understand our rules and agree to follow them going forward.
     
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    Ok I understand your rules and will never do anything to make myself punishable in the future. I apologize for collaborating in something that broke the rules, and will be more careful in the future. May we please discuss something not to do with my server ban in a discord DM?
     
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    I'm sorry, but I have already spent several hours addressing this matter and I'm out of time for today. :/

    I've gone ahead and discussed this appeal with Cyk753 and given her my recommendations. She will be on shortly to address your appeal.
     
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    Thank you Leeeroieee for the speedy check on the logs, the removal of the illegally gained items, and for addressing the main points of this appeal.

    thebeefboy, this is going to be about the bans for GeekSquad123, neverregret, and yourself. This will also handle the discord bans and touch on your staff report.

    For reference, I compiled and attached relative chat logs of my conversations and lookup of block placement in game.

    I explained to GeekSquad123 in game what island farming was, why it was against the server rules, and why the blocks had to be taken away. I temp banned GeekSquad123 to prevent more dirt farming; to further investigate their in game actions (check on sand and buckets); and to give time so that those illegal blocks could be removed from nevergret's island.

    You vouched on behalf of GeekSquad13. I explained to you in game what island farming was and why it was against the server rules. You lied to me about where GeekSquad123 got the dirt from. You also lied about GeekSquad123 not knowing about how to restart an island. This is how I knew you were associated with the dirt farming operation. I temp banned you so that you would not get in the way of removing those illegal blocks.

    Even though neverregret had not been online for a day, I tempbanned the account so they could not get in the way of removing those illegal blocks.

    In summary, the bans were only placed to recover the island farmed dirt, sand, and buckets.

    Another staff member and myself both told you in game where you could create a appeal to the ban. But you and your friend decided to spam the discord's general chat. That channel is for general discussion, and not for tagging every single staff member about the bans. Part of moderating is watching the chats and keeping them free from unnecessary drama. I had to ban accounts African Santa and SOSO to make sure the proper appeal process was followed.

    Appeals are always handled and logged on the website. Normally it is to have a conversation with the banning moderator about the situation and to come to a positive outcome to prevent future infractions. Staff reports may be created if the appeal could not remedy the situation.

    Since Leeeroieee helped to remove the illegal items, I am ready to unban everyone from game and discord.

    I do recommend reading the full rules posted here: Server Rules: Skyblock | Skyblock Forums

    Please say if anything I said needs to be cleared up or please share if there is anything else you would like to discuss.
     
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    Thank you but about the discord ban, neither of us were spamming at all. We were trying to get help as we felt we were wrongfully punished. You say we were banned for spam, but if you check the discord rules it says we get a warning, then a kick, then a ban. You skipped straight to banning us without a single warning or kick. This was unfair.
     
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    I did say early on in your discord messages to use forums to appeal. (this was also repeated to you in game by the other moderator as well as in the game's ban message).

    Tagging/spamming all the moderators is not fair to the other staff members who do not know the full situation. It is definitely not fair to blow up the chat for every other person in the entire server's discord when it should be a private discussion. Finally, it is not fair to yourselves. You make yourself look like someone who rants and raves instead of letting you compose yourself. I see that you have greatly calmed down by using the forums. This helps you present your thoughts maturely for a more successful appeal.
     
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    Discord is a much quicker way of getting an answer. I was banned without given an in depth reasoning and was looking for someone to discuss it with. Forums take much longer to get a response. Yes I was told to appeal on the forums, and yes it may not be fair to staff to be tagged on discord, but if I am looking for fast information on my ban and why it happened, I would use discord before appealing. I was never warned about spam.
     
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    Discord may be an instant messaging system, but that is not how our server handles appeals.
     
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    Never asked to be unbanned on discord, I was asking to talk with a staff member. I did not expect to be unbanned until after I made an appeal.
     
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    what i do in direct messages dont apply to the server, but sure go ahead and send screenshots of dms. if asking for details about my ban is rampage then sure.
     
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    no matter how guilty you can try to make me, you said i was banned for spam. on the discord rule page it says if you are spamming you get a warning, then a kick, then ban. i was not given a warning, but you are acting like i was so sure let's pretend i was warned. i was not kicked. i was banned. you did not follow the rules set in the discord server.
     
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    We are trusted to escalate to fit situations. The point of the discord ban was to have this conversation take place on forums and not be blasted over an improper platform. I feel that that goal has now been accomplished. I am ready to let you and your friends rejoin the game and the discord. This has devolved into a circular argument because I believe every point has been made now. If you feel that we are still at an impasse then, unfortunately, I must deny the appeal.
     
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    ok im done with arguing its going no where. have a good night
     
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    I think we can agree that things escalated needlessly and that things might have been handled better in a calmer way. We can't go back in time, unfortunately, so all way can try to do is learn from the experience and try to handle similar situations better in the future.

    thebeefboy and Cyk753 please try to work through this appeal calmly. If everyone agrees to behave and play nice, there is no need for anyone to remain banned.
     
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    I have unbanned the three accounts in game. I will let you back on the discord if you promise not to spam the chat and tag everyone with needless drama again.
     
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