promote sean again

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  1. Pile
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    You all act like this is the first time Sean has been demoted for being Sean. lmao

    Sean knows Cyp has limits and he chose to push those limits on several occasions because he is Sean. The drama that Sean has stirred up over the course of the last few weeks was enough to push Cyp to that limit and demote him once again. Don't get me wrong, I love Sean but to love him means you get the whole package and he is unapologetically him. (love you baby)

    Anyone that has been around since 2013 knows that Sean has gotten himself demoted and came back as staff more than a few times. Will he come back this time? Idk but most likely. lol

    Everyone has limits. Sean included and history shows Sean acts out like this when he's gotten to the end of his rope, been frustrated and close to giving up. He feels ignored and it wears on him.
    There are parts to this job that make it tough. I make jokes all the time that I'm "Cyp's b****" but it can feel that way when you are constantly working and trying and others are getting replied to and you're not. You begin to feel ignored. Taken advantage of and unimportant.
    But honestly Cyp has this pattern of behavior that he goes through when he's stressed and under pressure. He shuts down and stops replying. Kinda disappears. Sure he replies to some things or some people but most of those replies are to things not work related. His job is absolutely stressful and this is his coping mechanism. He always comes back and of course replies to anything super serious.

    To those of you who aren't staff you need to know there are a lot of things that go on behind the scene that we keep behind the scenes. You don't need to know all the crap that comes along with the job. It's our job to make sure you have a good experience here and complaining about petty s*** won't help in that.

    It's my opinion that Cyp and Sean will work this out like they have several times before.

    Tl;dr
    Sean has been demoted plenty of times before.
    Cyp and him always work it out.
    Sometimes when pimples come to a head you just need to pop them and clean up the mess.
     
  2. Vintage
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  3. Lights
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    Sean did nothing wrong.

    If anyone deserves to be demoted, it's Emerald. There's no hiding the fact that the quality of staff goes down with every new promotion.

    It's quite obvious that the new staff feel as if they have a higher authority than Sean, merely brushing off anything and everything he says, especially things about them and/or newer developments on the server.

    This server isn't some whiny-kid safe space. You don't get to confront someone, harass them, and then be upset your confrontation goes the wrong way. That's called practically victim blaming.
     
  4. Pile
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    He did tho. If you ask him he will tell you that.
    He pushed Cyp past his breaking point and he knows that.
    There is no denying that he is not a good mod. I have made several suggestions to help aid him and improve him to which his reply is always the same:
    • "I don't have to."
    • "It's not a requirement"
    • "I can do that if I choose to, I guess"
    I agree with this and what does that say about Sean?
    I love Sean to bits but if people(namely his staff team)do not respect him then I would say look at the equation. Lets just say the staff are 10 people who choose to not regard what Sean says. They are all individuals and have made that decision on an individual basis for any number of reasons. The common denominator in all of them would be Sean. I know it may not be what one person would like to look at but I manage a few teams of staff and if there was a common practice of disregarding my say-so then I would look internally to where I failed. There is no way all 10 could be wrong if they all say the same thing.
    (not sure if this makes sense)

    So what could Sean do?
    • Stop the blame and look at the reasons behind it.
    • Give himself a thorough moral investigation.
    • Ask those why they chose to not listen to him.
    • Listen to his team.
    • Look at the responses by all and see what they all share.
    • Then finally make the changes he feels needed to lead.
    This is assuming it's Sean's job to lead which I don't believe it is.
    Please correct me if I am wrong on that assumption.
     
  5. Lights
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    On the administrative level, yes. But in regards to Emerald, boy didn't do s***. Emerald literally went ahead and asked for it.
     
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    There were more ;)

    Anyways, I don't understand what the big deal is. Sean made a tbh thread. Anyways, anyone that knows Sean (especially over the years) will know that Sean pushes himself, harder than he needs to sometimes. He has a great work-ethic (i.e why so much got done on forums...). Even though Sean was only a forums admin, hands down I'll say he is the best admin we've ever hand, and will have. He got his job done, no questions asked. Of all the staff members I've seen, Krissy or Sean have to work the hardest for this server. If any of us wish for any forum advancement, we better start praying Sean comes back (if he still wants to, if I put up with what he did, I'd be so far out of here).

    Also, the demotion conversation for Cyp looks like a ton of extended lies for the pure fact he chose a group of mods (which in general I don't believe are liked) over the beloved Sean
     
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    pls i love sean
     
  8. Jennie
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    Sean should have been respected and listened to in the first place. Had he been able to actually demote or promote moderators or if he was cyp people would be falling over themselves trying to be kind to him or impress him. But since he doesn't have that kind of authority he was taken for granted and disrespected to the point where he had to make a public statement. This isn't about him just randomly deciding he hates emerald. A series of actions led to him blowing up on him. Had Emerald and others actually respected him as an important member of the team this wouldn't have happened. While I was moderator pretty much everyone respected Sean. Even if they argued with him about something at the end of the day if he said something important, we listened. It was a mutual respect team even if we had multitudes of arguments and differences of opinion we all had the same goal, to make the forums and the server a better place. For long periods of time before Sean was promoted to forum admin the mods begged and pleaded for someone to fill that spot because we did sincerely need someone to do the job when Cyp wouldn't be able to. He's fixed too many things to count and he was under rated so many times up until now.

    I know Sean. He wouldn't blow up on anyone publicly unless they wronged him in some serious way. He's a straight forward guy. He will say what he doesn't like about you to your face, usually in a pm (orrr the staff chat). He's brutally honest. I know he shouldn't have said what he said but can't emerald posting on his tbh thread be seen as provoking him? Knowing that Sean doesn't like him and that they have a mutual disliking of eachother, why would he post on the tbh thread? Because he's curious about what he's gonna say. And he just so happened to have been so fed up with what's going on that he tossed him in front of a moving train while dragging a few people along with him.

    My point is, there's always a side to every story. Emerald got insulted or "attacked" on the tbh thread but you have to think about why it happened not that it happened. In a real life fight if someone punches you first you have a right to punch back. It would be labeled as self defence. So why does that not apply to this situation? If Sean is gonna be demoted for speaking his mind and saying the truth then should Emerald not be punished in some way for provoking him to that point? Wars don't start after one mishap. It's multiple factors leading up to the point of war declaration.

    No hard feelings too anyone or from anyone please. This is my personal opinion and if you disagree with it that's your business but don't bring it up to me outside of this thread, don't hate on me because I pleaded a certain side, and sure as hell don't stop being friends with me because you disagree. I like both Emerald and Sean as friends. This is a neutral opinion. A logical opinion. Not an opinion based on my relationship with either of them.

    ok thanks I'm done b y e
     
  9. Crimsonwrath
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    If you know Sean you know what an amazing person he is and how much he's done for the server. I thought Sean even said on his thread that they would be brutally honest, due to Emerald's vendetta against him, I think he has the right to be honest.
     
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    Idk about Sean, but we need a forums admin. Ever since Sean left, things have gone downhill. We need a forum admin, please. I personally wouldn't mind having Sean promoted again, but whether or not it happens, we need one.
     
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    If not Sean then Krissy
     
  12. Stray Gamer
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    Yes. I respect Sean and all, but in my opinion, Krissy would be excellent for this position
     
  13. Lights
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    jess4forumadmin tbh
     
  14. Strommaniac
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    This drama is dope tho Queen feed off of it like a leech
     
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    I love Sean and I kind of feel like this might have been blown farther out of proportion than it needs to be, but Pile is right. Sean knows when he has crossed a line and he readily admits that he did. He knows full well what he did wrong and why it was wrong. That's what makes Sean such an amazing person. Do many of us disagree with this decision? Yes. Should we riot over it? No. Perhaps Sean will work things out, he has in the past when things have gone wrong, or perhaps this is a final straw for him and/or Cyp.

    The server will manage to persist with or without him, we've seen strong staff leave the team for one reason or another since 2012. Someone will handle the forums issues, even if they take time. Someone will whip the new staff into a semblance of shape, even if it's not perfect. People will continue to join and donate, even if they don't know the "glory days" of the server. (These are somewhat of a myth, even if the older users here miss them.)

    Sean, Do I think what you did was right? No. You should have known to hold your tongue, or at least to reign yourself in. I've known you for too many years to think that you can't control what you say, especially through the filter of fingers and a keyboard. On the same coin, do I think the result was justified? Not really. Perhaps a strong reprimanding in private and a confirmation that reprimands were made in public, but not a full demotion. This could be getting handled by all sides better, but we all know that most Minecraft players aren't the most mature.

    If anyone would like to discuss this topic with me I will try to long on here once a day to see it in this thread or in PMs, the same goes if you feel the need to make a rebuttal to my above statements.
     
  16. xphstos37
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    To be fair, I was super impressed with how active Emerald was from the get-go, trying to perform his duties and be present in the community and always trying to be kind. But he is new and young, and we have to understand even older, more experienced people can make mistakes. All of you have to realize that respecting people who are higher in rank or have been around way longer...and even your peers...is a sign of maturity and character. Respecting your parents, your teachers, your bosses, your spouses, your elders, your friends...if you don't automatically do this, life teaches you how to do it the hard way, eventually: by your being grounded all the time or in detention or fired from your job or divorced or by not being respected when you are older or by having no real friends. And the people of higher standing in whatever way need to realize that they need to be supportive of those under them. Teach them how to do things right, constructively correct them when they do something wrong, kindly praise them when they have handled something well, and only if you have done all these things and there are still problems will you know that firing them is the only option.
    Sean has already proven himself an asset to the team, and Emerald has been a hard-working new recruit. Both did something wrong but it seems one got his second chance now and the other may get his in future. It would be Cyp's mistake to not allow him that, after all the time and effort Sean has dedicated to this place over the years.
     
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    i was so confused as to why there were no winners for a second
     
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    I agree with your point TillICollapse I haven't talkted to sean really but he was a nice guy to talk to. I am sure everybody has gotten trouble at some point for being mean to someone on this server. Not everyone is perfect I understand but based from what I am seeing, I believe that demoting for a couple days is fine, not permanent. I am sure mods argue a lot and don't agree on what each other but why demoting? A warning is fine THEN a demote.

    #PrayForSean
     
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    It's not staff disrespect unless it's a player disrespecting them ;)

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